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Subject: Faith Date: Wed Feb 08 2012 18:44:00
From: Boraxman To: Owl

  Re: Faith
  By: Owl to All on Mon Feb 06 2012 09:20 pm

 > Science often separates itself from religion by stating that Science deals w
 > fact and religion relies on faith....
 > 
 > Consider the following...the big bang theory states that just 'prior' to the
 > big bang (which actually doesn't make a lot of sense) there was nothing...no
 > mass, no space, no time...not a spec of the smallest/microscopic anything...
 > there was no space, no emptiness...and no time.  And from 'this' which actua
 > didn't exist, because there was no `this' came everything...and what is the
 > proof for this?  Well, there really is no proof, because the scientific
 > theories can only get us back to a few seconds prior to the BigBang.  So
 > actually what science is relying on is faith, in the faith that their theori
 > are true, without having any real proof.  Faith is also the basis for religi
 >  I find this interesting....no matter which way you lean,it ultimately comes
 > down to faith.
 > 
 > What do others think or feel?
 > 
 > Owl
 > 

The big bang theory doesn't make and presumption about 'before' the big bang.
 There was no 'before', as time and space began at the big bang.  As Hawking
says, asking what was before the big bang is like asking what is north of the
north pole.

The problem is the human mind cannot imagine non-existance, so we cannot
perceive or imagine what nothing is like.  This may be why so many cultures
believe in life after death, because it is not possible to imagine
non-existance, only existance.

I don't agree that its 'faith' though.  Faith is belief in something without
evidence.  That is different to not knowing or hypothesising.

The evidence that the universe began with sudden expansion is pretty solid,
that time and space expanded from a point.  Why is speculative, but the big
bang theory doesn't explain why, only how.

I blieve there are two possibilities, either the universe exists, or it
doesn't exist, and both possibilities are real.  In order for you to percieve
it, it does exist.  But it also doesn't exist as well, but you don't need to
be there to percieve that.  In fact, you CANT perceive the universe not
existing.


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