Re: Question?
By: Obuing to Charon on Sat Feb 15 2014 14:41:02
> Re: Question?
> By: Charon to Obuing on Wed Feb 12 2014 03:42 pm
>
> > Re: Question?
> > By: Obuing to All on Tue Feb 11 2014 20:40:27
> >
> > > Officiated a funeral today. The lady that died was an outspoken Christ
> > > failed to regularly attend any church. I am always amazed by the numbe
> > > people that "love Jesus" but fail to love the people Jesus died to sav
> > > understand that many people have had bad experiences in their past and
> > > as an excuse not to attend church or "organized religion". However, Je
> > > directed His closest friends to establish an organized religion.
> > > What church do you plan to attend this week?
> > >
> > I would faithfully disagree with you my friend. The religions of today,
> > I am not picking on either faith, have seriously lost their way in "teach
> > the word of God or the "following" Jesus and truly "living" the life that
> > did so many years ago. Attending a church, "regularly", does not guarent
> > spot in heaven. I know many people, who attend church regularly, that ar
> > very evil in their ways. But, since they attend church regularly, that m
> > mean that they will get that spot in heaven?
> >
> > In Matthew 17-18 <NIV> Jesus replied "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah
> > for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. And
> > tell you that you are Peter and on this rock I will build my church, and
> > gates of Hades will not overcome it."
> >
> > Jesus was not referring to a "church" of brick and mortar, but His church
> > which is faith.
> >
> > Jesus only gave two commandments, which are To Love your God with all of
> > heart, mind, and soul. Also, to love thy neighbor as you would love
> > yourself.
> >
> > Now, I can clearly understand why so many people are turning away from
> > "organized religions", especially during these times. Many churches are
> > leaning toward to what makes you "feel better" about yourself instead of
> > teaching Biblical scriptures. Many of the "organzied" super mega churche
> > are falling right into the enemy's hands, and I mean Lucifer's, by teachi
> > New Age in their churches.
> >
> > So, one must ask themselves, do you place your faith in God, or in brick
> > mortar?
> >
> > Also, before passing judement on someone, who by all means is still a chi
> > of God, maybe there should be a little self analysis of your life and how
> > conduct yourself daily.
> >
> > I didn't mean to offend you, but I find it hard to fathom that a TRUE
> > believer would be very judgmental on someone who was recently called home
> > God.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Charon
> > riverstyx.darktech.org
> >
> How can you accuse me of judging if you aren't making a judgement. Scripture
> says to judge rightly. "Do not judge, so that you won't be judged. For with
> judgement you use, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will
> measured to you." Matthew 7:1-2. This teaches that God does judge, and we
> should refrain from judgement where possible. However, it doesn't teach to
> ignore wrong. If someone murdered your family, you would rightly judge their
> actions to be evil and desire justice.
>
> Your post was offensive and was a flame. However, I'll hang in if you want t
> hash this out. You doctorine of salvation is way off if you think anyone is
> saved by attending organized religion and that is NOT what I said. No one is
> saved from the consequences of their sinful behavior without an intervention
> Jesus Christ. Only by relationship with him will one avoid judgement because
> will be the judge.
>
> The Church was designed by God for fellowship between believers and Himself.
> It's not that you can't worship God on your own. You can. But you cannot
> experience the community of joint believers getting through life (and
> persecution) without a gathering of like faith. This is church. If you don't
> like one community of believers, then find another one. They are NOT all the
> same. In church you will learn from each other and become much stronger in y
> faith . . . and you might even make some friends.
>
First, my response was not a "flame" and if you have taken it as so, then
obviously it has struck a nerve. I am not bashing you, only pointing out that
there are people out there that like to judge the actions of others without
looking at there own lives. I see it eveyday, and guess what, they do it in
the name of Jesus. I disagrree with your comment that "God is the church".
God is not the church. The "church" is Jesus Christ. The physical churches,
or organized religions, are man's attempt to understand God, in which we fail
miserably. Most of the suffering, conflict, etc in our lives is due to our
"religious" beliefs. If you do not believe me, then why would responding to
your post be so offensive, and a "flame"? Also, religions bring about war.
Man kind has fought over beliefs for thousands of years. But, I digress and
I do not want to sound negative on this subject.
On a onther note, I did not "judge" you or any organized religion. However,
the post that you officated a funeral for a lady who was an "outspoken Christi
an" who did not attend church regularly and then say that you were "amazed
how people who claim to love Jesus, but fail to love the people he dies for"
sounds a little judgemental on your part. I understand that you are strong
in your faith, and that you have your core beliefs, and I applaud you for
that. However, faith left untested, is not truly faith at all. I love God,
the Father Almighty. I also love his son, Jesus, who came to this earth,
lived as a man, and dies for all of us.
If someone murdered my family, you are correct to say that I would want to
seek justice. However, I am supposed to forgive that person, or persons, of
their actions and let God handle the rest. This is placing my faith truly in
God. Now, on a serious note, it would be hard to do so and I would most
likely seek that justice out, which is something that God definately would
not want me to do. There is a fine line between justice and vengenance.
So, I would be more than happy, and open, to discuss my faith, beliefs, etc
with you. However, to say that my response was "offensive" or a "flame" is
juvenile in thought and only shows that you yourself would like to start a
"flame" over this discussion.
In closing, I pray that you have a good day and prayers to you and your
family..
God Bless...
Charon
riverstyx.darktech.org
I can be reached at the following email address to discuss anything further:
eladams2003@yahoo.com
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