Re: Still with Trump
By: Dumas Walker to VILENIHILIST on Tue Mar 24 2026 11:24 am
> BTW, if you look at the numbers,
> despite Trump's campaign claims, Oba > was also imprisoning / turning back
> decent numbers, too.
>
> > It doesn't have to be nefarious, i > > an issue of priorities. Biden
> > preferredthe risk of catch and
> > release to
> > a large dragnet holding many peopl > > whoreally didn't need to be held u >
> that way, and Trump would rather g > > cats and figure out where to hold
> > them later.
>
> I didn't claim it was nefarious, but > that it was not smart. I also don't >
think that turning loose a bunch of > agents in various cities is smart,
> either, but that is what happens aft > a few years of just turning people
> loose on this side of the border.
>
> If anything, that might have been th > reason there... break something so
> then you can complain about how the
> other side does an equally silly 180 > try to correct it.
>
> Yeah, that sounds dumb but we are
> talking about US politicians, and I
> seriously wonder if we could ever
> assemble a bigger group of dummies t > the current lot we have.
To the point of Obama's policies, the
main counter argument of liberals is
that a vast quantity of his numbers
were people turned away directly at
the border; to my knowledge that is
true. And to be frank I don't have
as many issues with actual BORDER
policy.
For the record, I don't count myself
among "liberals" anymore; for one,
non-MAGA republicans and most Democratsare all liberals, of different
opinions. I consider myself to the
left of liberals, generally.
Anyhow, I don't think ANY president
can or should have the power to
mass expel people on the basis of
race or origin in the way we do,
because that ability to do so
can be turned on you and me just
as easily, and it violates all
of our 4th amendment rights in
particular, and increases the
potential use of the 2nd. People
forget that even when IKE did this
Texans got in their pickups and
hunted down US Marshalls who were
mass deporting Mexicans because
of the mass violation of their rights.
And that wasn't near as harsh as what
Trump is doing with ICE. However bad
a previous president botched
immigration does not give the next
president the right to violate
American's rights in the name of
convenience for his agencies, but
that is what is happening.
I would rather abolish DHS as a whole,
reimplement the agencies as they
existed in the 90s, make sure the
communications issues that were
the cause for DHS are not reintroduced
and then provide paths for citizenship
for non-criminal undocumented migrants
combined with a punitive tax just largeenough to dissuade illegal migration.
Increase the amount of judges for
deportation cases, and work with
sanctuary state to ensure that they
will inform the newly-reformed INS of
illegals currently imprisoned. Which
I might add, is something that
already happens.
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