Re: Re: Universal Health Care
By: nixx to Outlaw on Mon Jul 06 2026 01:27 pm
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> Yes there will always be waste, but we are humans, we developed society
> specifically to help and protect each other, most if not all species on this
> planet operate on this model, we are the only one that say "hey, I don't
> want to share".
I don't think we developed society for selfless reasons.
We have evolved in order to become racist, tribalistic, selfish motherfuckers. E
asy proof of that is when you observe a manageable group of humans in a closed e
nvironment they split into groups and start attacking each other. This applies t
o schoolyards and blue collar work environments.
There is a reason bullying and mobbing are so popular. Humans like being part of
an exclusive group and members of a group derive their sense of belonging from
beating weaker groups. This alone is reason enough to realize large scale cooper
ation cannot happen in human groups without tangible incentives - people hates e
ach other too much. This is also one of the reasons why I don't buy the regular
"but humans evolved into cooperation" humanist theorizing.
These day and age humans don't climb the ladder by becoming more useful or valua
ble. They climb the ladder by manipulating the environment they operate in. Any
employee with two braincells KNOWS the way to raise within a company is not to b
e the best worker, but to be the best cocksucker. This applies to a 30 employee
company but applies even harder to larger corporations, and Governments are the
largest corporations around.
Frankly, Machiavelli had this figured out on the 15th Century already and actual
ly made the case. Scumbags fail upwards.
But do you wanna know what is the final nail in the coffin when it comes to volu
ntary cooperationism? That most people who toot that horn don't believe in it in
the least. Thought experiment: if I was about to be split by lightning, and the
only way to save me was to set your car on fire and sacrifize it to Thor or wha
tever, would you set your car on fire? How many people would set their cars on f
ire for me? Let me tell you: everybody would love for somebody to lose their car
for me but nobody would take the hit themselves, because as far as everybody is
concerned I am a random worthless dude like there are 8 billion else around. So
cialism at its core is just that idea that people wants something done but don't
want to do it themselves so they delegate the task to feel good about it.
And in the case of healtchare it is very evident. There are private cooperative
services nearly everywhere: I know cooperative farming, cooperative banking... t
here is no reason why private cooperative healthcare can't exist, yet the defaul
t plan for a whole lot of people is to build a giant healthcare corporation, dec
lare it is ok to do so because it belongs to the government, and force everybody
to participate, rather than build a private cooperative so good that people flo
cks to it because of how damn good it is.
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