On 07/13/16, Daryl Stout said the following...
DS> Gr> You are an unbeliever too. Just remember that.
DS> To the world (and to you), I am an unbeliever. But, to the Creator of the
DS> Universe, it's a much different story. I admitted before a Holy Righteous
DS> God, that when I realized:
Agreed. You are an unbeliever just as I am.
DS> 1) I was a sinner on my way to Hell, and eternal torment in The Lake Of
DS> Fire, but I didn't have to go there.
Who says you have to go there? Who decree'd it? Who created this Hell for
you to burn in?
DS> 2) I could not save myself, or do anything on my own to get to Heaven.
How could you save yourself? You had no agency to doom yourself, so how can you
have any agency to save yourself?
DS> 3) My righteousness was as filthy rags (literally bloody menstrual cloths).
Ok. Whatever that means. I guess you all just like to take pride in being
humble.
DS> 4) Jesus Christ is the only way to Heaven, and Salvation was a FREE GIFT,
DS> which could not be earned or bought.
Salvation from what? From who? By what criteria?
DS> 5) He lived the life I could not, dying in my place on an old Rugged Cross.
Why was such an act like that required of a god who knows all, sees all, and
wrote the book on everything before creating everything?
DS> 6) He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures.
Then all he had was a bad weekend. If you believe those stories.
DS> 7) He is coming back to rule and reign, and to destroy His enemies.
Of course he is. What messiah worshiping cult would be without the impending
return. How embarrassing would it be for you if it already came and left
without saying hello.
DS> 8) He would forgive me of every sin I had ever done or will do, if I just
DS> believe on Him.
So this god sets arbitrary standards that you have to appease in order to...
what?
DS> 9) Gratefully accepting His Free Love Gift made me worthy to go to
DS> Heaven.
What's so great about heaven? I see that people have more stories about hell
than they do heavan. Sell it to me. Why is it so great?
DS> I know exactly the day, hour, and location, where I asked Christ to
DS> come into my life and save me. To Almighty God, that makes me a
DS> believer, and worthy of Heaven. But, it is Christ's Righteousness and
DS> NOT my own, that makes me acceptable to God. I have the faith that if today
DS> was my last day on Earth, that the moment my heart stops...or if
DS> the Rapture of The Church were to occur today...that I would instantly
DS> be in Heaven.
Cool story. I understand that you believe what you believe. I just don't
understand why you chose to believe it. What supporting evidence did you
find to chose one faith over another.
DS> I would rather be hated by the world and its people, and accepted by God;
DS> than to be loved by the world and its people, and to be judged and damned
DS> by God to eternal torment. I may be a fool in the eyes of the
DS> world and you, but I am a fool for Christ.
What if your stories and beliefs were not true and correct? What if the
thing you want most is nothing but air and vapor?
DS> Gr> Why take it up with something that can't be shown to exist, for
DS> Gr> something that YOU claim to be true?
DS> I have seen so much evidence of Him working in my puny life, that it
DS> trumps your assertion that God doesn't exist. If God doesn't exist, WHY are
DS> you complaining so vociferously?? And, why are you concerned that I pray to
DS> Him??
How exactly does this work without confirmation bias? Where is your
empirical evidence? I'm not concerned that you pray. I'm concerned about
what you do with your beliefs.
In the news right now, Ken Ham has built an ark according to the
specifications found in your bible. That boondoggle has claimed $18 million
dollars of public, tax payer money. Kentucky is not a rich state, and that
money, instead of feeding the poor, or giving services to those in need, is
now going as an offering to a snake-oil salesman.
My U.S. Senator, Ted Cruz, who is my representative, but does not represent
me, has abused his power by means of his faith (the same faith as yours) to
slash aid to less fortunate people in my State. He also puts forth
legislation to use public money to finance faith-based organizations that
harm our families.
People of your faith are driving a wedge between all of our peoples and
biblically calling for sanctioned discrimination against people who their
faith tells them to hate.
People of your faith who pray to your god, are foregoing medical aid in lieu
of prayer for their critically ill children. The news is rife with reports
of parents who let their children die, in some cases ALL their children die,
from a easily treated illness. Because they chose to pray instead of seek
medical attention.
I can go on and on with examples of people with your beliefs are using your
beliefs to allow bad things happen to others.
But if you want to claim persecution and lament how I have issues with you
praying, you go right ahead. But know that it's not the prayer that offends me;
it's the actions that those prayers evoke in those who do the praying.
DS> God tells the believer that "If you don't warn the wicked of their sin,
DS> and they die in their sin, their blood I will require at your hand. But, if
DS> you warn them, and they die in their sin, their blood is off of your
DS> hands". In short, the "witness" that I've done here, means that the blood
DS> of all those in this echo is off my hands.
This decree that you find yourself bound to makes no effort to examine
whether or not these beliefs are true. This amounts to fraud.
DS> Hebrews 9:27 notes that "It is appointed for all to die, and after
DS> this, the judgment". Everyone who has ever lived is going to go at death
DS> either to Heaven (with eternal peace and joy), or to Hell (with eternal
DS> torment and pain). Jesus Christ is the most important person anyone will
DS> ever meet. What you do with Him determines whether you go to Heaven or
DS> to Hell. And, everyone will bow to Jesus Christ...eagerly in this life,
DS> or compelled to do so on Judgment Day by the Truth of God's Word.
DS> One day, we'll know who is right (the Christians or the
DS> non-Christians)... that fact can NOT be denied!!
There is no argument there. The problem is what do you do with this one life
that you KNOW we have. Do you turn a blind eye on it and forsake it in lieu
of a life you really have no way of knowing will come your way?
DS> And, if those who refuse to believe in God and believe on His Son are
DS> wrong, they will regret it forever. They won't be able to say on
DS> Judgment Day that they were not warned...because everyone gets at least one
DS> chance to hear the Gospel.
Ahh, here we come to it at last. We now have the fear-mongering aspect of
the messiah cults.
Just ask yourself. Why is there judgment at all? Why does there have to be
judgment? Why does there have to be a hell to punish the wrong does? Why can't
this god just take everybody to its bosom no matter what? Why does
your god keep a place of torment to keep people in line? What does it have
to lose if you don't toe the line? How does it hurt it to do away with this
place of torment?
Those are the kinds of questions that should make you think about your
beliefs.
DS> The Scripture verses what I used are what God has said. If that's not
DS> good enough for you, then I'm not going to pursue the topic any further.
That just illustrates to me that you have no desire for knowing the truth
about your beliefs. When have you ever critically examined your beliefs?
Where did they come from? How did you get them? What are the linchpins?
What would happen if one of those linchpins of your faith were to be undone?
Would you be prepared for the fallout if any of your linchpins to your faith
were ever removed?
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