On 07/13/16, Daryl Stout said the following...
DS> Gr> So I'll ask it again. Of all the choices for belief, why should
DS> Gr> anybody believe as you do?
DS> I'll turn it around...why should anybody believe as you do??
What is it that you think I believe?
DS> Gr> First off, you now are claiming to know the mind of god and what it
DS> Gr> wants. You have no idea if it wants robot worshipers or not. That is
DS> Gr> your personal addition to the narrative.
DS> I do NOT know the mind of God. All I know of Him is what is clearly
DS> stated in His Word. And, I've seen more of Him working in my puny life,
DS> that it trumps your statements that "God doesn't exist".
Which is it? You say you don't know the mind of god, by you carry on telling
me exactly what is in the mind of god.
You have never once EVER seen me say that god does not exist. So you are
wrong about that. What else can you be wrong about?
DS> Gr> By choosing to not accept it, you are actually choosing to NOT be a
DS> Gr> robot.
DS> No, if God wanted everyone to accept Him, everyone would have been made a
DS> robot. By giving us the FREE WILL of CHOICE, we can decide whether we want
DS> to accept Him or reject Him. He gave our first parents, Adam and
DS> Eve, everything they could every want or need, in the Garden Of
DS> Eden...along with ONE SIMPLE RULE...ONE SIMPLE PROHIBITION. They only broke
DS> it once.
Do you even listen to yourself? Do you not see the quality of this god that you
are obsessed with?
How can A&E have free will to chose right or wrong if the knowledge of right and
wrong were denied them?
Are you damned for something that your father did? Apparently so.
DS> Gr> So that's the morality that the bible teaches us. That you don't hav
DS> Gr> to be responsible for your own actions. You can do what ever feels
DS> Gr> good and just ask for forgiveness, then go off and do what ever feels
DS> Gr> good some more. What's to keep you from raping and murdering and
DS> Gr> coveting and cheating your fellows? Nothing! You've been forgiven!
DS> Gr> believe thats what the indulgences were all about, right?
DS> WRONG!! The Bible said that "If anyone is in Christ, they are a new
DS> creature. Old things are passed away, and all things are become new".
DS> Continuous, unbroken tolerance of sinful behavior should lead someone
DS> to question whether or not they have been reborn spiritually. Jesus
DS> Christ told one of the Pharisees that "unless a man has been born again,
DS> they can not see the Kingdom Of God".
But none of that matters. All one has to do is truly believe and repent, and
all is forgiven. This is all according to your Word of God.
DS> Saying that you can sin, confess, get forgiven, and keep doing the evil
DS> behavior in a never ending cycle, is making a mockery of The Blood Of Jesus
DS> Christ. You are trampling it underfoot as something worthless.
Dude. Don't put this on me. This is what you and your ilk have been telling
me all my life.
DS> Satan has deceived the majority of mankind into believing that:
Ok, so now you're a satan worshiper too? Didn't your god create this satan guy?
DS> 1) He doesn't exist.
All god has to do is make an appearance.
DS> 2) You can do whatever you want, good or evil...even if it hurts someone
DS> else, But, he doesn't tell you that payments (the wages of sin) don't
DS> come due until death and Hell.
Not even non-believers believe that a person can do what ever they want. Nobody
needs this god person to tell us what we already know. If
non-believers don't believe in god, then they don't believe in satan and they
won't be swayed to doing things that are reprehensible to them.
DS> 3) The preaching of The Cross is foolishness.
Well, from where I sit, it is. Its actually more than foolishness. I've
seen too many atrocities committed by those who believe like you do. How
many parents have killed their children in the name of god and the cross, for
fear that they will fall into sin? The news is rife with such cases. It
happens all the time.
DS> Jeremiah 17:9 is right -- "the heart of man is desperately wicked, and no
DS> one know the extent of the depravity".
DS> Those who have accepted Christ still have their "sin nature"...but they
DS> also have a "new nature", that of wanting to live a life pleasing to God.
DS> The "sin nature" doesn't disappear until death, or Rapture. It's like
DS> having to deal with bad breath, body odor, and the other ills of this
DS> corruptible flesh.
This "new nature" aka, scapegoat mentality does nothing to usage a person of
their guilt. It doesn't matter how many sacrificial demi-gods you nail to a
cross; it won't change your guilt one little bit. You are deluding yourself
if you think that killing a lamb to appease the gods will mean that your past
deeds have been undone, then that is what is wrong with people these days.
Asking forgiveness from somebody who had no connection to who you have
wronged still means that you are unforgiven.
DS> One day, the believers On Jesus Christ will have a new resurrection body,
DS> like the one that The Lord Jesus Christ had after His
DS> Resurrection. It will never grow old, get sick, be in pain, gain weight,
DS> need to eat, sleep, heed the call of nature, or deal with the curse of
DS> sin...having the vigor of eternal youth. On the other hand, unbelievers
DS> will have a corruptible body forever, that will forever be in pain and
DS> agony.
Cool story bro. But I have no reason to believe that is true.
DS> I know you and others consider these posts as "ravings of a madman". But,
DS> I have done all the "warning" I can do about what's coming. So, anytime you
DS> want these posts dropped, just say so. But, if I stop discussion on the
DS> subject, it means that you have to do so as well.
Your 'ravings' could go a lot farther if you seriously gave me one solid
reason to think that any of it is true. Give me a reason why your beliefs
are true but Bin Laden's beliefs were wrong. DO NOT tell me because of the
bible. If you say the bible is true but the quoran is not, you are going to
have to show me why. That means you are going to have to show me proof that
is not reliant on the bible or the quoran.
I realize that you think the bible is true. I on the other hand, look at it
with a critical eye. And because I have no free will, as you say I do, I am
unable to believe that the bible is true. This is becuase I KNOW TOO MUCH to
believe it to be true. If I knew nothing about the world, then I would have not
way to tell if it was true or not, and could likely lean to your
thinking. But this is why I say we do not have free will. If you were to
give me new knowledge that could persuade me to believe as you do, then I
would again have no free will, because I cannot will myself to change my
beliefs, any more than you can. People do not willfully change their
beliefs. They don't wake up one day and believe that gravity is negated and
that they can now fly like a grocery bag in the wind. That just doesn't happen.
The only way a person can change their beliefs is if they have a
good reason to do do. And the only way I know how to do that is to have
sufficient truthful knowledge of a thing in order to believe it.
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