On 07/13/16, Daryl Stout said the following...
DS> Gr> What is it that you think I believe?
DS> I think that you have no interest in the Gospel, that you're an
DS> athiest or Saducee, who doesn't believe in life after death, no
DS> accountability, no Heaven, no Hell, no devil, no demons, and no God.
I asked you what you think I believe. Not what you think I don't believe. I
certainly do believe in accountability, but not like you think.
DS> Gr> Which is it? You say you don't know the mind of god, by you carry on
DS> Gr> telling me exactly what is in the mind of god.
DS> If I knew The Mind Of The Lord, I would know the moment of my death,
DS> the moment of The Rapture of The Church, when all prophecy will be
DS> fulfilled, when Jesus is coming back, etc. Can you tell me the moment of
DS> your death??
But you keep professing to know the mind of god. Just because you don't know
all of the mind of god doesn't mean that you don't know any of it. But to
turn that around; if you don't know the mind of god, why do you profess to
know the mind of god?
DS> For that matter, can you give me specifics on the events of the next
DS> severe weather outbreak, with tornadoes, large hail, damaging wind,
DS> flooding, etc. before it occurs??
No. How is that relevant? We do have meteorologists who can predict the
weather to a certain extent. But I'm not trained on that so I personally cannot
predict it.
DS> In the Old Testament, the prophets of God were right 100% of the
DS> time... they were never wrong. If a prophet was wrong only ONCE, they
DS> were to be stoned to death being thrown off a cliff, with big boulders
DS> thrown on top of them until they were dead.
I predicted the loma prietta earthquake in '89. I predicted the events of 9/11.
I predicted the fall of the berlin wall. I predicted the mt st helens volcano
eruption in '80. Prove I didn't. I am 100% accurate in my predictions.
DS> Gr> Are you damned for something that your father did? Apparently so.
DS> ALL of mankind is damned because our first parents, Adam and Eve, refused
DS> to obey God in the Garden Of Eden. God said "the soul that sins shall die".
So you are damned for something that you did not do. What a nice god you
have there.
DS> Gr> But none of that matters. All one has to do is truly believe and
DS> Gr> repent, and all is forgiven. This is all according to your Word of
DS> Gr> God.
Have you ever heard of the Stockholm syndrome? Look it up if you haven't.
According to your stories, your god is taking you hostage by forcing a choice on
you. He puts a gun to your head and asks you nicely to worship him, otherwise
he will pull the trigger. Again; how is this considered free will?
DS> But, there also has to be a CHANGE. Criminals have used "religion" as
DS> a crux, saying "I found Jesus". When they say they are sorry for their
DS> criminal act, they are NOT sorry for that...they are sorry that they
DS> got caught.
Youmean like Jeffery Dahmer? Famous homosexual, murderer, torturer,
revered by all Christendom as a good christian. The callus way that
believers negate horrific acts that god has commanded them to do, and that
according to the stories, the horrific acts that god has done itself, is just
beyond the pale.
DS> And, God sees everything...motive, word, thought, deed. Everything that
DS> everyone does on Earth...present company included...is no surprise to
DS> Him.
He even sees you masturbating and he has an opinion about that. If you
believe the stories.
DS> I served on jury duty nearly 20 years ago, and the judge told one
DS> convicted murderer that "you've been here before, saying you found Jesus...
DS> but you apparently "lost him", as you're back here again on a similar
DS> charge.
What does this show me? That your teachings are bogus. I guess that
following your god didn't help him worth a hill of beans.
DS> Only God knows an individual's heart...but if that heart is black and
DS> cold toward Him, there is a limit on the times they can tell God that
DS> "I will NOT be born again". He may then choose to take your life in
DS> judgment. God is the Giver of Life, so only He has the right to take it.
See! You are now claiming to know the mind of god again. You are judging
your fellow man in your jury example like you seem to know what your god
would deem good or bad behavior. What does your god care what you do in
life so long as you worship him? That defendant could be right with god, but
apparently, not right with you or that judge. You have no way of knowing,
but you sure act as if you do.
DS> Gr> Dude. Don't put this on me. This is what you and your ilk have been
DS> Gr> telling me all my life.
DS> You obviously don't want Christianity, and I'm obviously wasting my
DS> time with you.
Who is wasting whose time?
DS> Gr> Ok, so now you're a satan worshiper too? Didn't your god create this
DS> Gr> satan guy?
DS> Blasphemer. Satan hates ALL humans...you, me, and everyone else...and
DS> especially those who have accepted The Gospel...because when they do,
DS> it's a slap in his face. In short, he wants all of us dead, and in
DS> eternal torment in The Lake Of Fire with him and his demons.
Why should I believe your stories about satan any more than I believe your
stories about god?
DS> Satan was originally Lucifier, the covering cherub. He had the highest
DS> position of any created being...he guarded the Throne Of God. Basically, he
DS> was "the music director" of Heaven, with the angelic realm praising God.
DS> Yet, he inflated with pride, feeling that HE should be running the
DS> show instead of God, and The Lord told him that "you shall be brought
DS> down to the sides of the pit". He conned one third of the angels into
DS> following him...and all of them were cast out of Heaven.
Cool story bro. But without any way to check it out, it will always only be
a story.
DS> After the final judgment, Satan will be stripped of all his power and
DS> glory, becoming a shell of his former self. And, all shall look upon him
DS> narrowly saying "Is this the one who shook the kingdoms??".
DS> DS> 1) He doesn't exist.
DS> Gr> All god has to do is make an appearance.
DS> He did in the person of His Son, The Lord Jesus Christ. When He
DS> returns the second time "Every eye shall see Him, and all nations
DS> shall wail because of Him".
DS> Millions have said they could never accept "A Suffering Servant" as their
DS> Messiah. So, when He returns as a conquering King, it'll be too
DS> late to fall at His Feet, and call Him Lord.
Again, you seem to know the mind of god. You seem to be a prophet too. The
funny thing about prophets is if what they prophesies never comes to pass,
they can just say that it has not yet happened.
DS> DS> 2) You can do whatever you want, good or evil...even if it hurts some
DS> DS> else, But, he doesn't tell you that payments (the wages of sin) don't
DS> DS> come due until death and Hell.
DS> Gr> non-believers don't believe in god, then they don't believe in satan
DS> Gr> and they won't be swayed to doing things that are reprehensible to
DS> Gr> them.
DS> That's what Satan wants them to believe...that he and the demons don't
DS> exist, that there is no God, there is no Heaven, no Hell, no
DS> accountability, and no judgment.
DS> The reason mankind doesn't want to do "good" is that because "the heart
DS> of mankind is desperately wicked, and no one can know the extent of the
DS> depravity".
That is patently absurd. YOU don't want mankind to want to do good, because
that would put a dent in your beliefs. I do believe that mankind wants to do
good, and as I have stated before, I have seen that it has. For every
generation. You are just a doom and gloom kinda guy because it helps with
your beliefs. I'm a but more optimistic.
DS> DS> 3) The preaching of The Cross is foolishness.
DS> Gr> Well, from where I sit, it is. Its actually more than foolishness.
DS> Everyone will have to answer for what they individually have done, and no
DS> one else. I'll have to answer ONLY for what I've done, and for nothing that
DS> you, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, or anyone else,
DS> has done.
What? That is a far departure from what you say about Adam and Eve. Apparently
individual acts CAN be judged individually and not be applied to
the whole human race.
DS> Satan has corrupted so many "denominations" with all these legalistic
DS> requirements in it.
But not yours. Your denomination got it right. Isn't it amazing how you
were born into exactly the correct religion? Out of all the thousands and
thousands of beliefs, you were taught the only correct beliefs. Isn't that
amazing?
DS> Gr> Cool story bro. But I have no reason to believe that is true.
DS> That is your choice.
DS> You obviously won't even consider "the faith of a little child", and have
DS> no desire to believe The Gospel. So, I am finished with you.
What proof does that offer regarding the truth of your beliefs?
I keep asking you WHY you believe what you believe is the truth. You can not
even one time show me WHY. Not once. You show me only that you do believe, and
exactly what you believe, and you use the words of other men to describe your
beliefs.
You certainly get off easy when commanded to preach (and only preach) your
gospel. That's the easiest part of it. If you had to also show why and how
these gospels were in fact true, you would be in dire straits.
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