On 07/13/16, Daryl Stout said the following...
DS> Gr> that any atonement will ever happen as you say.
DS> You will give an account for every thought, word, and deed, that you have
DS> every done...as will everyone else.
DS> If there is no forgiveness of sin, then "we are the most miserable of all
DS> creatures", as EVERYONE who has ever lived, is alive now, and who
DS> will live, is going to Hell.
If hell is living with regret, then I agree. If the hell you speak of is
something more, then I do not agree. There are some things that you call sin
that I do not, and have no compunction to feel regretful of.
DS> Gr> Isn't it convenient that all you have to do is answer to a being that
DS> Gr> has no part in the harm you have done to others. What would it be li
DS> Gr> instead that you had to atone to each individual person that you had
DS> Gr> harmed.
DS> I will ONLY have to answer for what *I* have done...not for a single
DS> thing that you, Obama, Clinton, Trump, or anyone else have done.
I really love how you have made a strawman out of my question. I did not ask
you about what others have done. I asked you about what YOU have done to
OTHERS. Will you ask for forgiveness of those you have wronged? Apparently
not. You'll go to some 3rd party and will magically be absolved of all your
guilt.
What do these people have to do with your personal actions?
DS> DS> I'm a sinner, but I'm a sinner SAVED BY THE GRACE OF GOD.
DS> Gr> Yeah, that way you don't have to do any REAL atonement.
DS> Works do not save a person...I'm saved by grace through faith in
DS> Christ. The Blood of Jesus covers ALL sins...of those who place their faith
DS> in Him. Even one sin not paid for would mean Christ is still in
DS> the grave, and that ALL of mankind...present company included...is
DS> headed for The Lake Of Fire.
What 'works' do you mean? The 'work' of asking forgiveness from those you
have wronged? Or the 'work' of asking forgiveness from some being that has no
bearing on the people you have wronged?
DS> As noted, you obviously are critical of The Gospel, and have no interest.
DS> I'm willing to consider the possibility what my fate will be
DS> if I am wrong...and from what I believe, I have little to worry about.
DS> To me, you are not willing to consider the possibility that you might be
DS> wrong.
Thats not true. I do have an interest. I have an interest in my well being. If
the stories of your gospel are true, then I want to know. If they are not true,
then I want to know that too, so I'm not wasting my time by looking in the wrong
place. You have apparently satisfied yourself as to their
validity. I'm asking you WHY you believe them.
To me, you are not in the least willing to consider if you are wrong. The first
place where you are wrong is that you believe that there are no consequences if
you are in fact wrong. You've simply latched on the most feel-good stories and
did no due diligence to see if they were true. If you had, then you would have
said so.
DS> If I didn't care about your eternal destiny, I wouldn't say a word...but,
DS> I would have had to answer to God why I didn't share the
DS> fact that while someone told me that "I was a lost sinner on my way to
DS> Hell", that I refused to tell others of it.
And when this god asks you what proofs you offered, what will you say?
You'll offer only the fallible words of other mortal men. That is all you
can say that you offered. What will you do then?
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