> Re: Interestingly Enough..
By: Top Gun to All on Fri Oct 05 2007 11:42:00
> > But in the days of King David, it was part of Israel. In Jesus' day, it
> > was part of the Hasmonean Kingdom that ended with Herod the Great. In
> > 1967, Gaza again became part of Israel when Egypt lost it in the Six
> > Day's War.
>
> [digressive sidenote]
> Funny you mention the Six Days War. The Israeli government, even today,
> denies knowing that the USS Liberty was an American vessel at the time they
> were busy sinking it from the air.
> check out http://www.ussliberty.org/findings.htm. Compare that with
> what navy.mil has to say about "mistaken Identity."
> [/digressive sidenote]
> > under the title, "Gaza First." Sharon intended to turn Gaza completely
> > over Palestinian rule, hoping to accomplish two goals in the process.
>
> . . .
> >
> > Within a year, the residents of Gaza elected Hamas on their foundational
> > platform that calls for the destruction of Israel and its replacement
> > with a Islamic state.
>
> Well, considering that the Palestinians were replaced with an Islamic
> state, it's more a case of turnabout, isn't it?
> >
> > A year after that, finds the Halavi Report, "The declared policy of
> > Hamas to provide sanctuary to any jihad fighter invites additional
> > terrorist groups associated with al-Qaida to plant themselves in the
> > Gaza Strip."
>
> > Here's the amazing part. I believe that this is exactly what Ariel
> > Sharon expected to happen. His only miscalculation was in thinking that,
> > having see a preview of what a Palestinian state would look like, the
> > world would come its collective senses.
>
> Okay. Here's where your post gets interesting.
> >
> > Sharon underestimated two things: the almost palpable fear among Western
> > governments to do anything that might offend Islam, and the depth of
> > nascent global anti-Semitism. The world fears Islam, but it despises
> > Israel on a lev so deep that it is defies logical explanation.
>
> Fear of offending Islam? What demonstrates this fear? Swagger towards
> Pakistan? Open threats of war against Iran? The atrocities of Abu Ghraib,
> Guantànamo Bay, Camp Buucca, and others?
> And it's not so much anti-Semitism as it is anti-Israelism. Remeber that
> Israel was *given* a country, by force of UN might. And now is being used
> as a stepping stone to control in the Middle East.
> > Seen at that level, if Islam destroyed Israel and then went back into
> > hibernation, it would be a fair trade. Maybe it would, maybe it
> > wouldn't, bu for some, especially at the U.N., it's worth the risk. All
> > they have to lose is Israel.
>
> Suuuuuure.
> >
> > It is almost impossible to fathom, but, barring that explanation, how
> > does o account for the fact the world is still clamoring for the
> > creation of a Palestinian state?
>
> As a way to say "sorry we stole your country. here's some of it back. Our
> bad."
> >
> > In every possible area of measurement, the Palestinians have failed the
> > test for statehood.
>
> . . .
> > Even blindness can't account for such widespread ignorance of the
> > danger. It goes beyond "blindness," skids right past "ignorance," and
> > stops squarely in front of "delusional."
>
> Wow. That was a scathing review of Palestinians.
> > Why would the world side with an openly terrorist entity û in the midst
> > of a war on terror û at the expense of the only reliable Western allied
> > democracy in the region, leaving it adrift in a sea of rapacious Islamic
> > dictatorships
>
> > Try, for a moment, to substitute some other Western representative
> > democracy instead of Israel into this scenario in your imagination.
>
> Oh, I can easily think of a couple that are also arrogant, expansionist
> meddlers.
> > Israel is an ally to every nation fighting the war on Islamic terror.
> > Those same allied nations are advancing a policy of granting statehood
> > to terroris sworn to the destruction of that ally ... never mind. The
> > more I try to explain it, the crazier it sounds. And that's the point.
>
> Israel is just as much a theocratic entity as Palestine. Israel was given
> as a *Jewish* homeland, and flies a Star of David for a national flag.
> They are, indeed, fighting *Islam,* and labeling it with the current
> buzzword of "terrorist."
> > This is exactly the scenario outlined by the Hebrew prophets as signs of
> > the soon coming of Israel's Messiah.
>
> And now, finally, comes this thread's relevance to Religion, as opposed to
> political debate.
> > The prophet Zechariah predicted the whole world would be united against
> > Isra over the Jerusalem Question (Zechariah 12:1-3); the prophet Daniel
> > (Daniel 9:27) predicted an agreement that seemingly settles the Temple
> > Mount Questio and the prophet Ezekiel predicts that, in the end, Israel
> > will still face a massive Islamic invasion reluctantly overseen by
> > Russia and led by Persia (Iran) (Ezekiel 38:5).
>
> Zechariah 12:2 - "Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all
> the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah
> *and* against Jerusalem.
> Daniel 9:27 - "He will confirm a covenant with many for one week. In the
> middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a
> wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation,
> until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."
> Ezekiel 38:5 - "Persia, Cush and Put will be with them, all with shields
> and helmets,"
> Okay, so you found three that might relate to this time. The funny thing
> about prophecy is that if stay vague enough, *every* prediction will come
> true, eventually.
> And where is Persia? Where is Cush? Where is Put? I know, you'll tell me
> that they've changed names and borders since biblical times, but that
> argument is an example of bibliolatrous suspension of logic.
> After all, everything in the Bible is the Word of God, right? Well, then,
> if God says "Persia, Cush, and Put," then isn't it your *duty* as a
> follower of the *truth,* to look out for mah'fahn CUSH? Shouldn't you be
> preparing to put Put in it's place?
> And Daniel's prophecy, by the way, was written after the fact, around 165
> bce, but "prophesized" events that occured around 600 bce.
> Ezekial wasn't referring to now. He was referring to Tyre - which still
> stands, by the way!
> >
> > Think about this for a second. Since it is absolutely illogical, and yet
> > it also exactly the situation we find ourselves witnessing, do you
> > really belie it was all just a really good guess?
>
> No. It was history written in a prophetic voice, to point out moralist
> lessons to Hebrews.
> Since when are the books of the prophets in the OT anything more than
> various *commentaries* on the Torah? Which, by the way, has its own brand
> of silliness I'd love to discuss some time.
> >
> > It would be amazing enough if the prophets had forecast a scenario that
> > made sense and it came to pass. But the scenario they predicted defies
> > all natura explanation û and yet is coming to pass as literally as it
> > was forecast.
>
> No it's not. Once again, the armies of Cush ore not beseiging Jerusalem.
> Jerusalem is safely ensconced in Israel, surrounded by a solid military
> structure. Tyre still stands.
> >
> > The fact is the Bible is true, and the setup for the fulfillment of
> > Bible prophecies for the final seven years of Tribulation are almost
> > complete. The is only a short time left to choose where you will spend
> > eternity.
>
> The bible is true? Okay, then, let's go buy some slaves! After all, God
> himself told us, in his infalliable bible, how to ethically hold, buy, and
> use slaves... <Genesis 17:12; Exodus 12:43;, Exodus 21:1; Leviticus 25:44;
> Colossians 3:22> God loves slavery! Let's look at some of God's other
> divine zingers while we're at it..
> Have you given all of your wealth away yet? If not, send me an email
> "musical.moose.studios@gmail.com" and I'll gladly tell you where to deposit
> it. <Matthew 6:19, 6:24, 19:21-24; Luke 14:33, 9:23-25>
> Have you ceased striving for personal success yet? Stop trying to better
> yourself <Hebrews 13:5, Phillippians 2:3, Acts 2:44-45>
> >
> > Jesus Christ purchased a pardon on your behalf with His own blood at
> > Calvary Cross. He extends it to you now. All you need do is accept it.
> > Allow Jesus Christ to come into your life and He will transform it
> > forever.
>
> This is false as well, by biblical standards. Acceptance isn't enough.
> You must also cast aside all worldly possesions, desire for self
> improvement, and literally follow the Torah. You must be willing to allow
> slavery, murder, genocide when God commands it of you, but still not kill
> (unless ordered to).
> Not to mention you must suspend all logic and blindly ignore the many
> blatant contradictions of fundemental movements, especially evangelical
> Christianity in the west.
> >
> > The choice is yours.
>
> > Relate
>
> Yep. And I choose to follow logic and reason. The Judeo-Christian God is
> *imaginary.*
> Surreality is just an illusion.
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