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Subject: Re: Interesting take on S Date: Wed Dec 23 2009 13:56:00
From: Curt To: nightcrawler

nightcrawler heard from Curt about Re: Interesting take on S on 12-23-09

nc, what you are not understanding here is that a one-sided stance on anything  
- coupled with a predetermined stance that any other way of thinking is utterly 
rubbish - leads to a bad end. I don't care if it's the vatican saying that the 
earth is the center of the universe or a skeptic scientist proclaiming that 
faith is irrational and that religon is a straight jacket needed only by the 
idiot masses.

Both are equally wrong and both are unable to accept correction and both are 
therefore more likely to be intelectaually dishonet with themselves because they
 
are now invested in the wrongness of the "other side". Both feel threatened. 
Both will tend to hold onto false ideas simply because it might mean that the 
other camp is right.

Are you starting to see what you and the vatican have in common?

n>Re: Re: Interesting take on S
n>  By: Curt to nightcrawler on Mon Dec 21 2009 10:46 am
n>If you can
n>not be intellectually honest, please go away, I have no time for you.

You asked for an example and I gave you a damned good one. Do I need to find 
some idiotic dogmatic quote from Dawkins himself? That won't be tough.

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 > Yeah, it's OK for Dawkins to do it to religion, but not for the Vatican to d
 > to science....the double standard on both sides is exactly what your quote f
 > the survey book talks about.

Can you give examples.[snip]

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I am not interested in posting valid vatican statements on scientific matters. 

The vatican has not shown anything like what is quoted below and bringing them 
into this does nothing to invalidate the point below but only supports it.

So we can trot out the idiot statements made by the vatican over the years and 
we talk about how they do not share the opinion expressed below, but that will 
get boring pretty quickly.

"That science and religion can work very well together deserves special 
emphasis. When we study the nature of light later in this book, we will 
treat light first as w wave and then as a particle. At first, waves and 
particles may appear contradictory. You might believe that light can be 
only one or the other, and that you must choose between them. What 
scientists have discovered, however, is that light waves and light 
particles complement each other, and that, when these two ideas are 
taken together, they provide a deeper understanding of light."


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