Curt heard from esc about Quiting drinking by faith on 12-21-09
e>Re: Quiting drinking by faith
e> By: Curt to esc on Mon Dec 21 2009 11:24 am
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e> > Does anhyone want to tell us that the faith of a recvoring drunk is irratio
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e>No, of course not. :) Good example
Thanks.
e>...however my _personal_ feeling is that w
e>don't fully (nearly for that matter) understand the complexities of the human
e>mind. I see this as more of a mind-over-matter type of argument...less of a
e>divine intervention type of argument.
OK well we agree here on some key things. We have one participant here who has
quit dope without AA just by making the choice to do something better. That's
great. AA has had hundreds of thousands, maybe millions , who have failed trying
to make the very same choice.
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e>Faith in oneself is such that human beings are able to do amazing things...run
e>an ultramarathon through death valley, for instance. Science alone cannot mak
e>a person do that...the person still has to just go out and make themselves do
e>it, no matter what their motivation or belief.
No arguments here on that. AA's typilcally won't disagree with that except on
the issue of drinking. They keep sober by coninuing to aknowledge thier utter
powerlessness and working the steps and adhereing to the principles - the
biggest of which is powerlessness. With them, it's never "I was powerless and
now I'm not".
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