Re: God
By: echicken to Atari X on Fri Jan 08 2010 11:34 am
> Re: God
> By: Atari X to All on Thu Jan 07 2010 20:41:21
>
> > There is no God.
> > Discuss.
>
> This topic is more-or-less undiscussable.
But here you are, discussing it, nonetheless.
>
> Those who believe in God have no proof of its existence but feel that none i
> necessary. The magical abstract concept called "faith" becomes the answer t
> every question.
But this doesn't allow us "non-believers" to shirk our side of the argument,
purely because the other side is irrational and silly.
I have proof that god doesn't exist. By that statement, the only thing that
can counter it is to provide proof that he does (if indeed I provide my proof).
Proof: There has never been any recorded, measured or observed evidence of a
greater power, or the intervention of a greater power. If there had been any
such evidence, then there would be no need for faith. Without faith, there is
no proof that he exists. Voila!
> Those who do not believe in God are likewise without absolute proof of such
> being's existence. None of us can say for a fact that God is not out there,
> some form or another, as none of us knows all that there is to be known in a
> about the universe.
I have all the proof that I need. I have never observed god firsthand, or felt
his presence, or had him intervene in my life. I have prayed more times than I
can count, and my prayers have thus far never been answered. I cannot observe
him, measure him, study him, or sense him in any way that human beings can
sense the things in their world.
And even if he DOES exist, he has never helped me, never made my life better,
never solved my problems, and never kept evil people and circumstances from
altering my life.
So, if he does exist, he doesn't do anything for me. I'm betting that he
doesn't exist.
>
> I do not believe that there is a God, but I keep an open mind because I see
> value in taking a hard-line on something when I can't possibly know all of t
> facts. Agnosticism is really the most logical choice. Anything else is bli
> arrogance.
>
> echicken
Agnosticism is not a logical choice - it's an absence of choice. It's like
being an atheist, but without any conviction. Or, equally, like being a
christian without any faith.
As for blind arrogance - I will try to not to take that personally - because I
believe that to go through life without conviction is a life that is wasted on
meaningless philosophical masturbation.
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