Re: God
By: Atari X to echicken on Sat Jan 09 2010 03:37:01
> > This topic is more-or-less undiscussable.
> But here you are, discussing it, nonetheless.
To be clearer, I mean to say that the "discussion" will start going around in
circles almost immediately. If you are the type who frequently confuses mutual
pseudointellectual jerkoff sessions with actual discussion, then fine - call it
a discussion.
> I have proof that god doesn't exist. By that statement, the only thing that
> can counter it is to provide proof that he does (if indeed I provide my proo
Yes, the burden of proof is on both sides.
> Proof: There has never been any recorded, measured or observed evidence of
> greater power, or the intervention of a greater power. If there had been an
> such evidence, then there would be no need for faith. Without faith, there
> no proof that he exists. Voila!
Many, many things were unknown to and unmeasured by human beings at one point
in time. That didn't make them nonexistent - just unproven. This isn't proof
that god doesn't exist - it's simply a lack of proof that he does. And that's
not splitting hairs - there's a big difference between the two.
> I have all the proof that I need. I have never observed god firsthand, or f
> his presence, or had him intervene in my life. I have prayed more times tha
> can count, and my prayers have thus far never been answered. I cannot obser
> him, measure him, study him, or sense him in any way that human beings can
> sense the things in their world.
I think I said something about arrogance in my previous post. This pretty much
hammers it home. You're setting the sum of your experiences and knowledge up
as *the* gold standard. Yes, that may be good enough for you because it's all
you know and all internal to yourself, but some people are aware that there is
more to the world than they know about, and accepting of that fact.
> Agnosticism is not a logical choice - it's an absence of choice. It's like
> being an atheist, but without any conviction. Or, equally, like being a
> christian without any faith.
Actually I don't believe in god but have *chosen* to keep an open mind. It's a
sensible way to be, and it was a conscious decision that I made at one time.
It's actually extremely logical and I have no idea what you mean by saying the
contrary. In fact, I laid out in my previous post exactly why it is the most
sensible path. You clearly cannot read and are possibly retarded.
> As for blind arrogance - I will try to not to take that personally - because
> believe that to go through life without conviction is a life that is wasted
> meaningless philosophical masturbation.
I have no passionate feelings on the subject of whether-or-not there is a god
and therefore having convictions on the issue one way or the other means
absolute fuck-all to me. That said, if anything I'm a fairly fervent agnostic,
as you can see.
And by all means, take any of my often rude statements as personally as you
like. You've shown arrogance, I've called it arrogance, do with that what you
like. It's nothing personal; we simply disagree on this topic.
This is the second round of postings on this subject, and I already feel that
it's going in circles. I'd bet that if this goes any further, we don't cover
much if any new ground, making it, as you say, a "meaningless philosophical
masturbation."
echicken
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